Fantasy baseball is stupid and so are you!

At least that’s what some hack writer named Gil LeBreton (below) wrote recently in the Ft. Worth Star Telegram:

http://www.star-telegram.com/303/story/1296682.html

Now, I don’t mind that he quoted me, even though the quote he used was completely irrelevant to what he wrote and did nothing to support the premise of his article, flimsy and illogical as it may be. And of course, this means he watched the show… no such thing as bad publicity!

What bothers me about this article is LeBreton’s premise that fantasy baseball is bad for baseball. On the contrary… ~15 million people play fantasy baseball, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the growth of fantasy baseball in the last 10-15 years has neatly coincided with record ballpark attendance and TV ratings. He goes on to say that fantasy baseball players are self-important shut-ins, but then he boasts about playing a computer simulation game, like that’s the mark of genius personified.

Anyway, this is junk journalism at its worst, and pieces like this are undoubtedly part of the reason print newspapers are dying and increasingly rapid death. Think about it… who would actually pay to read this crap??

Enjoy!

Cory

 

15 Comments

I think this guy is stupid, we should flood his comment box and tell him he was washed up the day he learned to write.

This guy is old and closeminded. Also the game he’s talking about DiamondsMinds, was featured on a fantsy show hosted by Jeff Erickson just the other day. The guest on the show was co-creator Kevin Hitt. Jeff and Hitt were discussing how this game is pretty much a different form of your tradtional game of fantsy baseball game. So Cory and Siano should get together with this old man and discuss strategy. lol Maybe not.

You guys did a great show on Sunday and do a great job everyday on the blogs. Keepup the good work and trust me, you guys will be around alot longer, and alot more impactful in the game of baseball then this hasbeen ever will be. I’m out

KevinD.

While the writer loses me with his dismissive and condescending tone, I think there is a point to be made for a change in the standard rules and settings for fantasy baseball(5×5 vanilla).

Damn, that is one pale, shiny face.
-Dan in LA

I think part of what he is saying is correct. Fantasy stats are for the most part horrible, outdated, and do not measure a players true baseball value. But that doesn’t mean fantasy baseball isn’t fun, and it doesn’t make people that play fantasy baseball stupid. I can understand how it would be frustrating for someone that correctly values players using metrics like OBP, OPS, wOBA, UZR, and VORP to see the vast majority of statistical thought going to stuff like RBIs and Runs, but I don’t think fantasy baseball is expected to correctly value players at this point. It’s more of a fun and challenging game, or even profession for some people. There’s nothing stupid about it. Trying to figure out how many RBIs someone is going to get is an analytical process(based on a game), just like trying to figure out how many wins above replacement they and exactly how much money their team should be paying them is.

Here is the comment I left for him:

“Wow, condescend much? So, you are superior to us inferior fantasy sports players because you play fantasy fantasy sports?

I think you underestimate the baseball IQ of many fantasy baseball players. Regardless of the stats used, you still have to know the players, teams and overall game to have success in fantasy baseball.

Here is a challenge: I will get ten fantasy owners and you get ten of your simulation buddies together. We’ll play you in a season of your simulation and you go head to head against us in a season of fantasy baseball. I guarantee you that the fantasy players would have a better showing in the simulation than you would in fantasy baseball. Care to take that challenge? I signed up with my real email address, so you should have no problem reaching me to accept if you are as smug in reality as you seem to be in your article.”

We shall see if he accepts my challenge. I kind of doubt it.

1. Was it just me, or was he more against SB and a Runs than anything else?
2. How does the logic compute, that Fantasy is bad for baseball because DiamondMind is better? I just don’t get it.
3. In what world is DiamondMind or any sim bettter for baseball than fantasy. You don’t even need to have there be real baseball games for DiamondMind, do you?

Cory, I would love to see you go toe to toe and talk baseball with ?that guy?, you would tear him a new LeBreton.
-Neighbor Steve

Sounds like a bitter old man with nothing else left to complain about. It sounds like he ran out of topics to write about so he’s now going to start becoming an elitist. He’s obviously trying to gain recognition by pissing people off with his ridiculous article. It’s too bad we even care who he is or what he says.
Ed in Chi

Fantasybullpen, I don’t mind the suggestion that the basic 5×5 categories aren’t a great reflection of “real” baseball, but so what? That’s still the most popular format because it’s the easiest to understand and therefore is the format that is the most accessible to the most number of people. There’s no limitation to variations on league formats, categories, etc. so if people want to use VORP or WARP or whatever, they are free to do so… but clearly the relatively smallish number of leagues that do so indicates the limitations of using non-traditional stats.

What I do mind is the statement that “Fantasy baseball is stupid” because of the usage of traditional 5×5 categories, especially stolen bases. I don’t think anyone who plays basic 5×5 thinks that one-dimensional base-stealers like Willy Taveras and Michael Bourn are great baseball players, but in the format of this game, they are valuable components. And moreoever, it doesn’t make me stupid to play 5×5.

But what really bothers me is this one: “Have you people even watched a live baseball game since Lou Brock retired?” That’s just asinine, since any self-respecting fantasy player spends as much waking time as he can watching games via TV, MLB.TV, etc. Maybe he’s just too busy playing computer games in his basement to know that.

–Cory

Fantasybullpen, I don’t mind the suggestion that the basic 5×5 categories aren’t a great reflection of “real” baseball, but so what? That’s still the most popular format because it’s the easiest to understand and therefore is the format that is the most accessible to the most number of people. There’s no limitation to variations on league formats, categories, etc. so if people want to use VORP or WARP or whatever, they are free to do so… but clearly the relatively smallish number of leagues that do so indicates the limitations of using non-traditional stats.

What I do mind is the statement that “Fantasy baseball is stupid” because of the usage of traditional 5×5 categories, especially stolen bases. I don’t think anyone who plays basic 5×5 thinks that one-dimensional base-stealers like Willy Taveras and Michael Bourn are great baseball players, but in the format of this game, they are valuable components. And moreoever, it doesn’t make me stupid to play 5×5.

But what really bothers me is this one: “Have you people even watched a live baseball game since Lou Brock retired?” That’s just asinine, since any self-respecting fantasy player spends as much waking time as he can watching games via TV, MLB.TV, etc. Maybe he’s just too busy playing computer games in his basement to know that.

–Cory

Sorry for the double-post folks.

–CS

A wise man once said the ultimate goal is to “punch a clown”….ladies and gentleman, I give you Exhibit A!!!!!

— BDH (Cory, shake it off as I suspect you already have)

Now there’s a guy who would’ve received the full FJM treatment. Mike at the Beach

I wouldn’t have given this ********* or his farticle credence by mentioning it here…..

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